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Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code
Public Group active 9 months, 2 weeks agoThis group is for input by animal welfare organizations on the proposed changes to the animal ordinances for the City of Tulsa . Participation is by invitation only.
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Shelli Holland-Handy posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 9 months, 2 weeks agoTAW was on the Public Works Committee agenda on Tuesday. I did not attend personally but watched the proceedings on tgovonline.org. They decided to not start the task force focused on the ordinances until the 911 task force is completed. I believe the reasoning is that some of the enforcement issues brought up during the ordinance discussions…[Read more]
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Shelli Holland-Handy posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 9 months, 3 weeks agoJust before the city council meeting last night, the Animal Welfare Task Force vote was pulled from the agenda. They are going to postpone the vote until they can more carefully consider the situation. Kind of an anticlimactic end to a crazy couple of weeks surrounding this issue!
So, the good news is, nothing has changed for the rescues who…[Read more]
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Shelli Holland-Handy posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 9 months, 3 weeks agoThank you all for your continued interest and continued attention to this issue.
The issue is on the City Council agenda for tomorrow night as “A Consensus of the Tulsa City Council establishing a Animal Welfare Task Force.” http://www.tulsacouncil.org/inc/search/meeting_detail.php?id=LCWX3CT3715201182657
I know there are several people going…[Read more]
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Deanne McNabb posted on the forum topic Draft of Collective Response of Animal Welfare Groups in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 9 months, 3 weeks agoFor those of us joining late, what can we be doing to help? I have poster boards and plenty of Pyrs. to carry them lol. Seriously though, you guys have done a GREAT job with the response! Anything I can do to help going forward please me know.
Deanne McNabb
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Shelli Holland-Handy posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 9 months, 3 weeks agoI attended this morning’s Public Works meeting since the proposed task force resulting from last Friday’s council meeting was being discussed. Unfortunately, Councilor Mautino’s recollection of what occurred at last week’s meeting is quite different than the rest of us who were there. By all accounts, everyone came away from that meeting…[Read more]
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Shelli Holland-Handy posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoIf you haven’t already heard, we had a great outcome at today’s meeting with city council. Mautino agreed to stop moving forward with his proposed changes. He will present the idea of a task force at Thursday’s council meeting which would involve all stakeholders from both city and private sector evaluating the issues from a big picture…[Read more]
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Shelli Holland-Handy posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoHere is what I just sent off to Council. A few changes were made to incorporate input. Also, I added more language about the need to stop the current proposal from moving forward and evaluating the animal code entirely.We’ll keep you posted as things unfold.
Just a reminder, tomorrow’s meeting is at 8:30 at City Hall, Room 411 in case anyone…[Read more]
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Shelli Holland-Handy posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoWhat are everyone’s thoughts on the 90 day restriction? Deena from Partnering for Pets suggested we ask that that be removed. It has always been the rule and I think TAW is comfortable with that rule but it doesn’t hurt to at least open discussion on it.
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Shelli, not removed, but maybe extended to 6 mos.
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Thanks for clarifying. What time frame is acceptable – 120 days?
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Deena – I apologize – i just saw your 6 mos. suggestion. I personally think that might be a bit long but that is just my opinion and stems more from a desire to turn animals over more frequently so the rescues can save more.
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Granted. But 90 days work if you only rescue ’desirable’ dogs and cat. It’s not uncommon for a black dog/cat or an ”ugly Betty” pet to take more than 90 days. So after the 90 days you need to move to another foster home outside city limits?
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I think this proves our point of the desire to do a complete overhaul of Title 2. I think it needs input from TAW, citizens at large, etc. I am fairly certain that asking for more than we are currently given will fall on deaf ears. What we are requesting is just to preserve status quo – no additional rights, etc. Also see below for the comments…[Read more]
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it is a curious requirement. how would they even know if we had a dog for 92 days – my point being is if it is not enforceable, it shouldn’t be in the policy. Conversely, if we gave notification as directed that we have a dog longer than 90 days for medical (or other reason), what does the department do? tell you no? tell you to give them an…[Read more]
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It is my understanding if they have a complaint, they take a photo of the animal and the rescue has 90 days from that day forward to find the animal a home. Basically, if there aren’t complaints, no one is checking, as is the case with all the other stuff. You don’t get in trouble if you don’t get caught.
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Then the ordinance should be stated that way. If a rescue gets a complaint about a foster pet and it is reported to TAW or other agencies and the rescue is notified in writing, then the rescuer will have 90 days to place that pet elsewhere.
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Sherri Griggs posted on the forum topic Draft of Collective Response of Animal Welfare Groups in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agothanks Shelli!
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Sherri Griggs posted on the forum topic Draft of Collective Response of Animal Welfare Groups in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoWe just experienced the bizarre scenario where one rescue cat had NINE kittens and a rescue dog had 7 puppies. So how does a foster home work within the guidelines but still have the ability to help these animals until they are old enough to adopt? Assuming, of course, that the foster home has a [...]
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Sherri – animals under 4 months of age are not included in the total number of animals that can be in a household’s possession.
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Sherri’s story of a rescue cat giving birth to 7 kittens is a perfect example of what is wrong with this whole discussion. There are now 7 more kittens to foster/adopt and 7 cats at the shelter that will never make it out. If the cat had been spayed before going to rescue there would be 7 less cats. Is that math so hard to comprehend? I…[Read more]
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Nancy – I totally agree with you and your point of view is echoed in the response. We do not want these proposed changes to move forward and need to look at the whole animal code to determine how we address the situation holistically an as you said, best utilize the resources we have. The whole situation has been completely insane. Citizens should…[Read more]
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Nancy, to clarify, the cat Sherri is referring to was found by an individual and the cat was ALREADY pregnant and ready to deliver. She was not pulled from a shelter and allowed to breed while in rescue. That would be insane.
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Nancy atwater posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoRescues should register and be inspected and licensed. How else will you guarantee the welfare of the animals?
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Nancy – I agree and think most of us on here do as well. A few good apples can ruin things for all of those who do the right thing. We certainly don’t want those who masquerade as rescues making problems worse and sucking up the limited resources available when things get out of hand. I think this is under consideration at a state level and we…[Read more]
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Under the current hobbyist permit, does the city inspect the property before a license is given?
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No they just require documentation.
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Nancy atwater posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoCan we add spay neuter to this discussion? Are all the rescue animals sterilized? And if not, why not? We know this is the only solution to euthanasia. Are all animals released from the shelter to rescues sterilized?
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That is an excellent point and I will modify the rescue provision suggestions to include that rescue animals must be spayed/neutered within a certain time frame. I think it is unrealistic to expect the shelter to spay/neuter them before they are released to rescue. It is my understanding that to be an approved rescue to pull from the shelter, you…[Read more]
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Shelli, spay/neuter is already covered under 101.a.17
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Deena – what Nancy is concerned about is addressed in Title 2 Chapter 1 Sec. 109.E.7. – ”Release to animal welfare organizations. WIN may, at its discretion, release animals to a nonprofit animal welfare organization incorporated as such in the state of Oklahoma. If an animal so released is a dog or cat, an authorized representative of the…[Read more]
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Nancy, please explain concern regarding this?
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Deena Plovanich posted an update in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoDoes anyone have issues with the 90 days? This has been in the ordinance for some time, but should it be looked at.
Also, I believe having 7 dogs in the city limits will be an issue. If we recommend rescuers having up to 7 with a limit of 5 dogs, this may be more acceptable.
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That is a good thought. I figured we’d go for best case scenario and then compromise from there. After our conversation with him last Friday, it was supposed to be 6 or 7 and we got 5. Word on the street is he won’t budge off 5 anyway. Thanks for your input.
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Is the 90 days not an issue for rescues?
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Not sure – let’s have everyone weigh in on that. I’ll post a message to the group.
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Lori Hall posted on the forum topic Draft of Collective Response of Animal Welfare Groups in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoAre we concerned by the amount of the increase of the rates of obtaining a permit? I thought it was kind of high for those that will foster for an organization, when they are paying for taking care of animals that aren’t technically theirs… just a thought…
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Good point Lori – I am not sure that anyone had caught that previously. I will add that in. Also proves my point that they should address rescues in a separate section so things aren’t so messy.
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I certainly caught it. Hobbyist was cheap enough at $25 although it was still annoying to have to pay to rescue. $100 is a smack in the face with a $50 smack every year after to be a good dog Samaritan. excerpt from my email to Councilor Christiansen:
Reliable and committed foster families already give so much of their time and financial…[Read more]-
We requested the fees not change for rescue.
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Marcia Cowen posted on the forum topic Draft of Collective Response of Animal Welfare Groups in the group
Changes to Title 2 Ordinances of Tulsa Municipal Code: 10 months agoOutstanding!
Thanks Shelli!Marcia DRG
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Deanne – thank you so much! I am going to forward an email that just went out to you. I will post on this site as well. Basically, contact your city councilor and all of city council for that matter. Let them know this is not acceptable!